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Support => Feature requests => Topic started by: kingsandman on May 27, 2012, 06:59 am
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OK Guys, we all saw how Tony76 ran off with everyone's money. The Finalize Early feature has been debated here on Silk Road for a long time, and is of course never recommended.
I propose this plan, because I think it might limit the sellers from scamming so many buyers.
First of all, as a seller, to even have the ability to have a customer finalize early, you should have to meet certain requirements. Maybe maintain a perfect seller rating for a certain amount of time within escrow, and then the feature becomes available. Example 100% feedback in a 30 day period.. Vendors should have to really earn the ability to have the FE option for their customers, right? :)
But this isn't going to stop anything, so we need a second feature. FE 'THROTTLING'. Now that the seller has earned the ability to FE, there still needs to be some limits. Maybe only X amount of customers can FE to one seller within a certain time frame. The rest must stay in escrow. This way the seller does get some 'up front' money, but also can't run away with EVERYONES money when they feel like it.
With those 2 options combined, I think it would really bring scamming to a halt. Because if you have to have 100% feedback, and only 5 people can FE to you in a 7 day period, if one of those 5 people leaves negative feedback, FE becomes disabled, so the vendor will have to keep up to expectations, we can still have the FE option, and we can stop scammers after they scam just a few people, instead of 30% of SR all at one time.
The admin should decide the real limitations, but this is just a proposal. What do you all think? Give it some thought.
At any rate, the idea is simple:
1. Seller has to 'Earn' and 'Keep up' with the ability to accept FE transactions
2. Even once earned, FE transactions will be throttled in some way to keep more buyers safe
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Giving people choice and freedom in how to act is a decent philosophy behind black markets.
Too many rules and the point of Silk Road fades away.
Escrow exists. Sellers asking you to finalize early is something they should be able to do, and something a buyer should be smart about.
Making bad, stupid, easily avoidable mistakes on here teaches you that a black market on the internet doesn't come easy and you need to actually work to be safe and secure, and even then, nothing is guaranteed.
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Giving people choice and freedom in how to act is a decent philosophy behind black markets.
Too many rules and the point of Silk Road fades away.
Escrow exists. Sellers asking you to finalize early is something they should be able to do, and something a buyer should be smart about.
Making bad, stupid, easily avoidable mistakes on here teaches you that a black market on the internet doesn't come easy and you need to actually work to be safe and secure, and even then, nothing is guaranteed.
Buy that man a beer! Well said.
If there should be ANY rules it should be that all the fucks that think they can vote peace and love into the world should be forced to spend some time in here, "the wild west" and really learn something.
That only the individual, taking his lumps, learning his lessons and applying those lessons to honing his choices can give him the best hope of success. Here or anywhere else.
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Last two posts were very insightful. And I don't think any one solution will put scamming to a halt. Impossible.
Scams exist in real life black markets, hell even open, legal markets. Look at all the infomercials selling shit that is not as depicted. Greed and shady people will always exist unfortunately.
I've yet to be scammed on here, but I won't be too shocked when and if it happens. That isn't to say I won't be pissed and take whatever action I can, but it's the nature of the beast.
IRL, I've taken my lumps like BP stated, and consider myself a seasoned vet in the game. Vigilance and common sense on my part hasn't practically eliminated me being got or hustled in the real life black market.
The same can be true to a certain degree on here.
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i like the FE Throttling idea, but i can't see how it's going to be enforced
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I don't understand why all vendors don't just use tracking #'s? Isn't that foolproof as proof of shipping?
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I don't understand why all vendors don't just use tracking #'s? Isn't that foolproof as proof of shipping?
All that proves is they shipped something and that something could be an empty box. As a buyer, you have no way to prove what was in that box before you opened it.
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I don't understand why all vendors don't just use tracking #'s? Isn't that foolproof as proof of shipping?
All that proves is they shipped something and that something could be an empty box. As a buyer, you have no way to prove what was in that box before you opened it.
But see, you provide it to sr and they can see where it's been delivered, if at all. Based on it not being delivered to the address and etc, they judge on if a refund should be supplied to the buyer. That's why tracking numbers are literally a scam prevention for sellers. And the escrow system works!
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I don't understand why all vendors don't just use tracking #'s? Isn't that foolproof as proof of shipping?
All that proves is they shipped something and that something could be an empty box. As a buyer, you have no way to prove what was in that box before you opened it.
But see, you provide it to sr and they can see where it's been delivered, if at all. Based on it not being delivered to the address and etc, they judge on if a refund should be supplied to the buyer. That's why tracking numbers are literally a scam prevention for sellers. And the escrow system works!
That's dangerous thinking, my friend, to believe that a system can ever be impervious from a scam.
Imagine this. You order something and one of two things happens: it never shows up or an empty box shows up. You go to resolution. The Silk Road admins ask for a tracking number. In the first scenario, the scamming seller can apologize and reship, this time sending you an empty box. Or as brought up before, maybe an empty box shows up in the first place. In either case, you literally just cannot prove that whatever the seller shipped didn't have anything in it from the start. All the tracking number does is cause a scamming seller some time and a few bucks. It isn't that hard to ship out an empty item and attach a tracking number to it. Another possibility in this scenario is that the buyer is the one who is scamming and cries "empty box". It would be impossible to know for sure.
Don't put absolute faith in any safeguard.
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death penalty to scammers.
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death penalty to scammers.
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Jaba the Hutt would agree.
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I feel like somebody should make tshirts that say "I got scammed by tony76", bet it would sell like hotcakes
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LMFAO!
If it weren't a dead giveaway I'd wear one of those.
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I like the idea of vendors getting up front cash. And then FE halted. The system here is almost perfect. I know I'm new here but IRL I can smell a lick from a mile away. Here it is a lil trickier but I feal shure in the decisions I make.
It's kinda like the other day. I seen a solen item of mine for sale, I called the # and my GF was asking questions whyle I was dialing . I said Sarah please be quiet.... My girls not named Sarah. But the girl who stole my shit is.
Call it what you want. But it keeps me alive for the most part.